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13' 50#er

Discussion in 'Wood and Canvas' started by ticonderoga, Feb 17, 2020.

  1. ticonderoga

    ticonderoga "Just one more"

    I am just about to begin the next restoration of the winter and I need some help, please. The canoe is a 13' 50 #er AA grade that is in need of a lot of work. For starters it needs the usual stem ends, a few ribs, some planking and repairs of some previous repairs. The biggest part of the repairs will be inner and outer gunwales, which currently are a mess. They are not original for the most part so I can't get the location of the thwarts. This canoe had no seats just thwarts, so the placement is crucial to set the overall shape of this little tub. It does have the original decks, so I have that width. Does anyone out there have a similar canoe that can let me know the placement of the 3 thwarts along the centerline and the length of each hole to hole. Thanks in advance, Joe
     
  2. Benson Gray

    Benson Gray Canoe History Enthusiast Staff Member

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  3. OP
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    ticonderoga

    ticonderoga "Just one more"

    Thanks for the info Benson. From the photos I can get the approximate seat location, but that won't give me the width at each of the thwarts. Also where are the thwarts located: at the front of the seat or the back? Thanks
     
  4. Howie

    Howie Wooden Canoe Maniac

    Bad timing: just 2 weeks ago I sold my 13' 50 Pounder. I'll contact the fella who bought it & see if he'll measure the distance between the bolts.
     
  5. Benson Gray

    Benson Gray Canoe History Enthusiast Staff Member

    Howie may be able to offer the best information if he can get it. The catalogs listed both the 11 and 13 foot long versions of this model as being 36 inches wide. The 11 foot one in my garage is a bit narrower as shown at https://www.wcha.org/forums/index.php?attachments/22600/ for example. The center thwart is about 33.25 inches wide and the overall width at the rails is about 35.25 inches. I suspect that you could set the middle thwart width and then guess the other thwart lengths necessary to make a 'fair curve' to each end.

    Mike Elliott's picture appears to show a 15 foot long example with the thwarts mounted near the middle of where the seats would have been. Good luck with your restoration and let me know if you want more details from my 11 foot one.

    Benson
     
  6. OP
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    ticonderoga

    ticonderoga "Just one more"

    From all the info given, I will be able to set the thwarts and shape the gunwales. Thanks for all the advice
     
  7. Howie

    Howie Wooden Canoe Maniac

    Ok... Here are the dimensions for my 'old' 50 Pounder. These are measured from the centers of each pair (left & right) of seat & thwart bolts.
    Front seat: 27-1/2 and 30-3/4
    Rear seat: 20-3/8 and 14
    Now FYI, the 50 Pounder came with just one thwart which was located dead center. To make this canoe easier to handle by one person I made it with two thwarts, which are spaced 32-3/4" apart, or 16-3/8 fore & aft of the canoe's center.
    For both thwarts the bolt span is 32-3/4.
     
  8. OP
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    ticonderoga

    ticonderoga "Just one more"

    Howie, thanks so much for this info. It will eliminate any guessing on my part.
     
  9. Howie

    Howie Wooden Canoe Maniac

    Crap... I knew I was too tired when I wrote the above! The thwarts are really 34-1/2 apart. The bolt-to-bolt is 32-3/4.
     
  10. Jim Eckler

    Jim Eckler paddle on...

    I can give you one more measurement off my 13'er. It has a center thwart, as Howie says, that's dead center. The thwart length (max) is 33 1/2 inches with center line hole to hole of 32 5/16.
     
  11. Howie

    Howie Wooden Canoe Maniac

    Jim's thwart info above is different than mine, and caused me to review my pictures from when I first got the canoe. I remember now that, while the canoe did have a rear seat and fragments of the front, it didn't have the center thwart and that the canoe was pretty well splayed open. I remember cinching the canoe in the center to get its overall width to match the published specs, but this caused the inner rails to have a 'pinched' look. So I used two thwarts and sized them to get rid of the 'pinched ' look. Which is a long winded way of saying that I'd trust Jim's thwart info instead of mine!
     
  12. OP
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    ticonderoga

    ticonderoga "Just one more"

    The single, centered thwart measurement is exactly what I needed, Thanks
     
  13. Jim Eckler

    Jim Eckler paddle on...

    Hope you don't mind me rambling; it is sorta' related. I'm considering playing around with the seats and thwart configuration. I definitely want to be able to set it back to the original configuration (seat, thwart, seat). And, I haven't paddled this canoe yet, but I'm most interested in it as a solo tripper. For the solo setup, I have a carrying yoke to mount in the same inwale holes as the original center thwart. I might use a kneeling thwart that could fit in the holes for the aft beam of the front seat (with seat removed, of course). If that's not exactly in the right location, will try my homemade pedestal seat for kneeling - a surprisingly comfortable prototype of rigid foam with soft pads added for my seat and tops of feet. (Should make a wooden and cane pedestal someday, somehow.) Then, I probably should install another thwart, just to maintain the shape, hopefully in the forward holes of the stern seat (seat removed). So, that becomes the alter ego - pack style - of this fine old wood and canvas canoe.
     
  14. Craig Johnson

    Craig Johnson LOVES Wooden Canoes

  15. Craig Johnson

    Craig Johnson LOVES Wooden Canoes

    Here is my set up for solo tripping A3B568B9-7CF8-40EC-8A7E-5E3CC293B491.jpeg
     
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    ticonderoga

    ticonderoga "Just one more"

    That is a good looking set up! Thanks for the seat idea.
     

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