unknown canoe - any info?

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Hi guys,
Recently I had acquired an unknown 16 foot canoe with serial #16 50350. This came from the original owner's family (his grandfather) who lived in northern Minnesota many years ago. I've spent hours searching the internet for a similar looking canoe without any luck. Any ideas on what make and model this may be?
Photos are attached to help with identification.

Thanks in advance!

Gordy Blair
Timberline Canoes
Boulder, Colorado
 

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Hi Gordy,

Someone else will chime in with a build record for you, but this looks very interesting. It looks like a very early 16' Old Town Otca in CS grade (normal, not high-end). I'd suggests it's from the mid-to-late teens because it's got open gunwales but no diamond-head bolts holding the seats and thwarts, and it has that nice chamfer to the inwales (and maybe outwales?). You bolts are likely flat-head with neck fins, countersunk with bungs over them. A bit later, Old Town stated using their beautiful diamond-head brass bolts. This one is interesting to me because I don't ever recall seeing this combination of features. It all makes sense for an Otca of this era; I just haven't seen it. I have two 1916 Otcas that are much like yours (open gunwales, countersunk and bunged bolts), but both are AA grade with mahogany trim. I was beginning to wonder if they made this canoe in CS grade at the time - they should have, but I don't think I've seen one.

Perhaps Benson will add some thoughts here.

Michael
 
Thanks for your valuable input Michael - I appreciate your time and knowledge!
It would be nice to see a photo of one of your 1916 Otcas.
Have a good evening,
Gordy
 
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Here is one more photo of the (unknown) canoe with a better view of the gunwales.
 

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The Old Town canoe with serial number 50350 is a 16 foot long, CS (Common Sense or middle) grade, Otca model with red western cedar planking, open spruce gunwales, twenty inch spruce decks, spruce thwarts, spruce seats, and a keel. It was built between September, 1917 and May, 1919. The original exterior paint color was dark green. It was shipped on May 16th, 1919 to Duluth, Minnesota. A scan showing this build record can be found by following the link at the attached thumbnail image below.

This scan and several hundred thousand more were created with substantial grants from the Wooden Canoe Heritage Association (WCHA) and others. A description of the project to preserve these records is available at http://www.wcha.org/ot_records/ if you want more details. I hope that you will join or renew your membership to the WCHA so that services like this can continue. See http://www.wcha.org/about-the-wcha/ to learn more about the WCHA and http://store.wcha.org/WCHA-New-Membership.html to join.

It is also possible that you could have another number or manufacturer if this description don't match the canoe. Michael has raised an interesting point about the relative survival rates of AA grade canoes versus the CS grade ones. The chart at http://www.wcha.org/ot_records/grades.jpg indicates that the CS grade canoes originally outnumbered the AA grade ones by about two to one. A database of the WCHA members' canoes from many years ago described at http://forums.wcha.org/showthread.php?13053 indicates that wooden canoes have a survival rate of about two percent. However, a close look at the grades reported in that database shows 48% AA grade canoes, 50% CS, and 2% GS. It appears that people take better care of expensive things which is not that surprising. I suspect that the survival rate of Rolls Royce cars is also probably higher than Volkswagens. Feel free to reply here if you have any other questions.

Benson
 

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Benson,
Thank you for the wealth of information on this “unknown” (but now-known) Old Town canoe. With being used to the familiar Old Town deck design (and their use of the common diamond-head fasteners) I didn't realize this canoe could have been an early Old Town model without those typical traits. Thanks to you and Michael, today I am much better educated on vintage Old Town canoes!

Obviously, the value of WCHA membership goes way beyond a serial number database. I will happily join your organization with an eagerness to learn more of the history of wood and canvas canoes and to share information with like-minded people.

Thanks again!

Gordy
Timberline Canoes
Boulder, Colorado
 
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