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Discussion in 'Serial Number Search' started by walker, Nov 3, 2018.

  1. walker

    walker Curious about Wooden Canoes

    I recently purchased two Old Town Canoes and one has a serial number of 8458 16. I understand the 16 is the length, but can anyone help with the rest? Thank you.
     
  2. Benson Gray

    Benson Gray Canoe History Enthusiast Staff Member

    Welcome and congratulations, it appears that you have a 16 foot canoe but the Old Town and Kennebec records for number 8458 both show 17 foot canoes. The Carleton record for this number shows 16 foot canoe so some pictures for your canoe including the areas around the serial numbers from both ends would help. The tricks at http://www.wcha.org/forums/index.php?threads/791/ may also be useful.

    The Carleton canoe with serial number 8458 is a 16 foot long, CS (Common Sense or middle) grade, Carleton model with western red cedar planking, closed spruce gunwales, ash decks, ash thwarts, ash seats, a keel, and sponsons. It was built between July, 1911 and May, 1914. The original exterior paint color was dark red. It shipped on May 9th, 1914 to the Greenhut, Siegel, Cooper Company in New York City. (Macy's sold the Old Town line at this time so other dealers in the area sold the Carleton line.) Scans of both build records can be found by following the links under the thumbnail images attached below.

    8458.jpg c-8458.jpg

    These scans and several hundred thousand more were created with substantial grants from the Wooden Canoe Heritage Association (WCHA) and others. A description of the project to preserve these records is available at http://www.wcha.org/catalogs/old-town/records/ if you want more details. I hope that you will join or renew your membership to the WCHA so that services like this can continue. See http://www.wcha.org/about-wcha to learn more about the WCHA and http://www.wcha.org/store/membership to join.

    It is also possible that you could have another number or manufacturer if this description doesn't match your canoe. Feel free to reply here if you have any other questions. Let us know what you find,

    Benson
     
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    walker

    walker Curious about Wooden Canoes

    Thank you for your help and your quick response. I will be asking about the other canoe soon. Thank you again, this has been great!
     
  4. OP
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    walker

    walker Curious about Wooden Canoes

    Benson,
    Attached are some pictures of the canoe. Thank you. IMG_1960[1].JPG IMG_1959[1].JPG IMG_1958[1].JPG IMG_1956[1].JPG IMG_1956[1].JPG IMG_1956[1].JPG IMG_1958[1].JPG IMG_1959[1].JPG IMG_1960[1].JPG
     

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    walker

    walker Curious about Wooden Canoes

    Here are some pics IMG_1960[1].JPG IMG_1959[1].JPG IMG_1958[1].JPG IMG_1955[2].JPG IMG_1956[1].JPG
     
  6. Benson Gray

    Benson Gray Canoe History Enthusiast Staff Member

    That canoe appears to have the heart shaped decks of a Carleton and everything else matches, including the red paint. The bow deck should have four nail holes from a large brass tag like the one shown at http://www.wcha.org/forums/index.php?attachments/2196/ for example.

    Benson
     
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    walker

    walker Curious about Wooden Canoes

    IMG_1969[1].JPG IMG_1968[1].JPG IMG_1967[1].JPG IMG_1966[1].JPG Benson,
    I had a chance to go get the other boat today I have enclosed some pictures. The serial is 150676 16 If you could give me some help on what this is it would be great. Thank you for your help. Also, I am in The Northeast and a looking for a restorer. Any suggestions? Thanks again.
     
  8. Craig Johnson

    Craig Johnson LOVES Wooden Canoes

    Looks like an Old Town double ender. Someone will be along with the build sheet soon but here are a couple photos of mine. IMG_1673.jpg IMG_1674.jpg IMG_1679.jpg
     
  9. Craig Johnson

    Craig Johnson LOVES Wooden Canoes

    Click on the Builders and Suppliers Directory link on the home page for restorers in you area.
     
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    walker

    walker Curious about Wooden Canoes

    Craig,

    Thank you for your response. Your boat looks great.
     
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    walker

    walker Curious about Wooden Canoes

    Are the back rests original or did you add those?
     
  12. Craig Johnson

    Craig Johnson LOVES Wooden Canoes

    They were for another boat so I had to modify them slightly but I believe they were available for that boat in the catalogue. The seats have a rabbit in the back edge to catch the seat backs. Here is a photo of that rabbit. actually made of a separate piece. IMG_0872.jpg Does your boat have that detail?
     
  13. Craig Johnson

    Craig Johnson LOVES Wooden Canoes

    actually I can see in your photos that yours does have that extra rabbited piece behind the end seats. Since mine didn't have the original seat backs I didn't know what that piece was for until Benson showed me the pictures in the catalogue.
     
  14. Benson Gray

    Benson Gray Canoe History Enthusiast Staff Member

    The Old Town with serial number 150676 is a 16 foot long double end boat model in CS (Common Sense or the middle) grade with red Western cedar planking, open spruce gunwales, ash decks, spruce thwarts, spruce seats, a keel, outside stems, and a floor rack. It was built between March and May, 1948. The original exterior paint color was dark green. It was shipped on May 24th, 1948 to Old Forge, New York. A scan of this build record can be found by following the link at the attached thumbnail image below.

    150676.jpg

    See http://www.wcha.org/forums/index.php?attachments/30347/ and http://www.wcha.org/forums/index.php?threads/12705/ for some catalog images showing the back rests as Craig mentioned. More images like this are available from http://www.wcha.org/store/complete-old-town-canoe-company-catalog-collection in the scanned catalogs. Let us know if you have any other questions.

    Benson
     
  15. monkitoucher

    monkitoucher Canoe Curious

    My OT Charles river was sent to Old Forge and was a part of a boat livery there too! You may already know this, Rivett's Boat Livery is still in business. Pretty cool!
     

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