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Discussion in 'Serial Number Search' started by Norm Hein, Dec 12, 2019.
Could you please see if this has a build sheet. It is supposed to be a 16' OTCA
The Old Town canoe with serial number 108852 is a 16 foot long, CS (Common Sense or middle) grade, Otca model with red Western cedar planking, open oak gunwales, oak decks, oak thwarts, oak seats, half ribs, a keel, and outside stems. It was built between January and March, 1931. The original exterior paint color was turkey red. It shipped in April 9th, 1931 to Ann Arbor, Michigan. There was a previous request for a copy of this build record in May, 1975 from Ann Arbor, Michigan as shown on the back side of this record. Scans showing both sides of this build record can be found by following the links at the attached thumbnail images below.
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It is also possible that you could have another number or manufacturer if this description doesn't match the canoe. Feel free to reply if you have any other questions.
I pick it up Saturday!
Que pasa? I thought we steered you towards a 50 pounder….
Oh I’m still looking for one. I’ve got the fever.....
These we “close” to me. Only a six hour drive one way. Everything else I have found is up in canoe country, the northeast. There were two canoes in the deal. The second one is shorter and unidentafied by the seller. So maybe it’s a 50 ponder. I’ll post pictures of it when I get it home and see if you all can help me figure out what it is.
I brought this canoe home yesterday. It is in overall good restoreable condition with a few questionable repairs that will have to be corrected and a couple of new repairs to be done.
There are a couple of things I need help understanding though.
First off it has no center thwart. It has a wide one to the stern.
The bow set has an extra (thwart) butted up to it.
There are holes that show it had two more keels running along side of the center keel. The center keel is on the canoe the other two are gone.
So the whole set up looks like this:
Was this set up for sailing or something??? There are no holes where a center thwart would have been.
Any input you all have on it would be most appreciated.
I can't identify the other canoe I got in this deal. I'll post it in another thread and see what you think.
There looks like there are a bunch of goodies on that canoe that the build record doesn't cover (half ribs, carry thwarts, etc.). Also, if it were a 31 OTCA wouldn't it have the combed decks? Could it be the correct build record?
Thinking that those thwarts were used for seatbacks.
Whatever it is, it looks pretty special.
I agree that this build record doesn't seem like a great match for this canoe. The records for 103352, 103852, and 108352 aren't much better. Are there any holes in the ribs along the sides to indicate that it once had sponsons? Can you provide some pictures of the serial numbers from each end? Thanks,
It could very well be different. The seller gave me the number. He also said the were no broken or cracked ribs. He was off a couple of numbers there to. I will check it out tonight.
As mentioned above, it has hand carry thwarts - maybe a Carleton number?
I tried to take a picture of the number but it's to dark right now. Both ends have the same number 108852 16.
The number one in 108852 on both ends is not near as clear as the number one in the 16(ft) It doesn't really look like a 7 though. Does the 7 stamp come straight down or does it look like the 7 in this text?
So what would 708852 get us? Here is a clear shot of the deck to help age it.
Old Town issued serial number 500,000 in 1995 and their millionth serial number was issued in 2003 so 708852 was probably issued around 1999. They stopped keeping paper records in the early 1990s so there isn't an easy way to verify this. Your canoe looks much more than twenty years old. The image at http://www.wcha.org/forums/index.php?attachments/41135/ may help you distinguish between a seven and a one. The Carleton serial numbers stop at 20540 and their bow carry thwarts were usually curved. It appears that this canoe has had many repairs so it may be difficult to determine what is original.
It appears that this canoe has had many repairs so it may be difficult to determine what is original.
I would have to agree with you Benson. With the numbers matching at both ends I believe it is the OT OTCA. The inwales looks newer than the rest of the canoe so I believe that when it was worked on they replaced them and set it up as they wanted it. Nonetheless I like the canoe and look forward to restoring it with the changes that were made-except for the additional keels.
Thanks for the help,
Mostly just out of curiosity I removed one of the outside stems today. It is missing about 3" at the deck. I figure I'll splice it instead of replacing the whole thing. My question is, is it common for the back of the outside stems to to be concave?
In my experience with Old Towns, yes. It makes a good place for the canvas seam and bedding compound.
Thanks Fitz. So when constructing a new stem I could see the benefits and detriments of cutting the cove before bending or after.
Silly question but does anyone have an opinion on which method is best?
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